{"id":700,"date":"2002-04-25T17:58:52","date_gmt":"2002-04-25T21:58:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/darkestlight.org\/xanga\/?p=700"},"modified":"2002-04-25T17:58:52","modified_gmt":"2002-04-25T21:58:52","slug":"700","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/darkestlight.org\/xanga\/?p=700","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<p><P>Ok, I wrote this in response to something on <A href=\"http:\/\/www.xanga.com\/billythestick\/\" target=_new>billythestick&#8217;s<\/A> site.&nbsp; However, I spent a good bit of time on it, so I decided I would make it a post rather then a comment.&nbsp; Just seems more people will see it this way.<\/P><br \/>\n<P><B>Anyway, the post it is in response to said:<\/B><\/P><br \/>\n<P><I>&#8220;This is something that a friend passed along to me that a guy she knows really and truly believes.&nbsp; How would you respond to this?<\/P><br \/>\n<P>&#8220;Strange&#8230;a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied seventy times seven and invented Hell; who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man&#8217;s acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him!&#8221;&#8221;<\/I><\/P><\/FONT><br \/>\n<P><B>and here is&nbsp;my response:<\/B><\/P><br \/>\n<P>ok, divide it up into points&#8230; basically what they are saying is:<\/P><br \/>\n<P>1. God made bad people.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>2. God made people die in a short period of time.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>3. Forces us to forgive.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>4. Condemns people to a Hell that he created.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>5. Does things he tells us not to do.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>6. Created man without man&#8217;s consent, and blames man for what he is, rather then himself.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>7. Wants people to worship him because of all this.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>So take each point one at&nbsp;a time, makes it a lot easier.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>1. God did not make bad people.&nbsp; He made people who had a choice to do whatever they wanted.&nbsp; Think about it.&nbsp; By what standard do you judge what is good or bad?&nbsp; Who decides?&nbsp; There are many cases in which people disagree.&nbsp; So who is right?&nbsp; And even if we all agreed that something was bad, what makes it bad anyway?&nbsp; Maybe we are all just mistaken.&nbsp; There must be some standard.&nbsp; The standard is if it is in God&#8217;s will or against God&#8217;s will.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>2. God created man to be an eternal being.&nbsp; When man chose to sin he chose death.&nbsp; It is not God that caused man to die, it is sin.&nbsp; The wages of sin is death.&nbsp; Think about it, an eternal being who is constantly doing evil things?&nbsp; After awhile things would get really bad.&nbsp; Could it really have been any other way?<\/P><br \/>\n<P>3. Yeah, God wants us to forgive people, and he is forgiving himself.&nbsp; If he was not, we would not still be here.&nbsp; We all are completely deserving to be wiped off the face of the planet.&nbsp; By all means God should have destroyed everyone long ago, if you take his love and forgiveness out of the picture.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>4. God did not create &#8220;Hell&#8221;.&nbsp; Hell is simply a state that must exist.&nbsp; It is not a place so much, as it is eternal seperation from God.&nbsp; If you are not in God&#8217;s presence, you are seperated from him.&nbsp; That is what Hell is.&nbsp; Complete and eternal seperation from God.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>5. As creator God has rights that we do not have.&nbsp; God has the right to extract punishment on people, which we do not have.&nbsp; It is never ok for you to murder someone, regardless of what they might have done to you (killing in self defense or war is different).&nbsp; However, it is perfectly reasonable for God to punish someone with death, because he is the one who created them and gave them life to begin with.&nbsp; Just as if you created something, you have every right to destroy it, but no one else has that right.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>6. Firstly, how could God have created man WITH man&#8217;s consent?&nbsp; Man did not exist to give consent.&nbsp; It is not possible and hence could not have been any other way.&nbsp; Also, see point number 1.&nbsp; God did not create man as bad, he created him as good, but with a free will to do as he chose.&nbsp; Man CHOSE bad, therefore, man IS to blame for what he became.&nbsp; God is responsible only in the sense that he allowed man to choose bad.&nbsp; But if you use that logic to blame God you are really stretching it and you could blame anything on almost anyone.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>7. Man was created to commune with and worship God.&nbsp; That is man&#8217;s whole reason for being.&nbsp; Without it, you are not fulfilled.&nbsp; There is emptiness there.&nbsp; Yes, God wants us to love him and to worship Him, but he does not force us to.&nbsp; As in all things, we are given a free will.&nbsp; Worship God because without him you would not even be.&nbsp; If you make honest observations of life, you will find that God&#8217;s very existance means that he MUST be a good God.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>And that&#8217;s all I have to say about that&#8230;. \ud83d\ude42<\/P><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ok, I wrote this in response to something on billythestick&#8217;s site.&nbsp; However, I spent a good bit of time on it, so I decided I would make it a post rather then a comment.&nbsp; Just seems more people will see it this way. 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